Sunday, February 3, 2013

Fascism in the diclosure community on facebook



  • I would LOVE to know how some of you feel about teaming up with psychedelics to enhance our CE-5 conversations.
    http://truththeory.com/2013/02/03/psychedelics-an-illegal-experience/


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    • Criepei Driim Ecsploadre http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=toIeBc4SHEo#!

      Maybe musical instruments and sound beyond a native language along with painting could be used in our contact experiences.

      Music and the Psychedelic Mind
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      A documentary about psychedelic culture, featuring Bear in Heaven, White Fence, ...See More
    • Criepei Driim Ecsploadre Psychedelics seem to have certainly played a roll in pattern identification, which of course is tantamount to communication.
    • Steve Grello Its a great was to enter into alternate states of reality and learn things that you wouldnt normally be able to learn in the "normal" reality.,
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    • Steve Grello It is possible to learn without them but these are vehicles to achieve that purpose instantaneously
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    • Steve Grello salvia divinorum is NOT ILLEGAL here in NJ, Yes I said it was LEGAL in NJ.
    • Frank Stalter I would not recommend it but if you want to give it a whirl and have some success, let us know.
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    • Steve Grello tried it but not with CE5 directly as far as i know
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    • Criepei Driim Ecsploadre It seems to me that I experienced CE5's on HBW seeds, Psilocybin mushroom, DMT and what I was told was LSD. Also eating Dark chocolate before bed has been helpful.
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    • William King This group doesn't support drug use. My personal view is that drugs suppress and disrupt the mind/heart connection to higher consciousness.
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    • Criepei Driim Ecsploadre DAMAGE CONTROL^
      Here on earth we are afraid of being punished.
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    • Criepei Driim Ecsploadre what is a drug? Do you mean you do not support anything "illegal"?
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    • Criepei Driim Ecsploadre If ET wants me to live in fear of breaking laws and cultural taboos then ET can suck it. if you catch my drift. Free beings.
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    • William King No I'm talking about any substance that a person takes to force a change in their being. I feel a body is a system, comprised of many small living parts. Just like a planet, or a galaxy... all parts should work in cooperation for the whole. This is only my view, and I don't speak for the ETs.
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    • Criepei Driim Ecsploadre Psychedelics are part of the planetary body/consciousness.
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    • Criepei Driim Ecsploadre like the brain makes DMT, the planet made LSD, mushroom, ayahuasca, HBW seed, peyotee, Ibogain, etc...
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    • Kimberly Heaton Goodson It's true that the Natives have used various plants (natural) to elevate levels of consciousness throughout history. Shamanic journeys?
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    • Frank Stalter These substances have proved to be one way for a number of people and cultures over the years, but they certainly are not the only way. 

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UuHrm2tHvE
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    • Grant Haygood Personally, I think that higher states of consciousness can be obtained naturally. I also think that the ET civilizations appreciate and respect a sober mind, especially if we are trying to be diplomatic with them. I've used psychadelics, but I've just kind of grown out of it. I do smoke marijuana, but that is certainly not a "psychadelic," even though it is classified as one. I think it also depends on the individuals perception of the "drug." If it's not a big deal to them, then maybe the ET people don't really care either. I think they are interested in interacting with all sorts of different people.
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    • Lee Paul Uttley whatever help you achieve intelligent coherence, and an elevated tranquil mood is whatever works for you... be it music or food or love or whatever.... It's up to you what you do with your body... Probably the most sensible way is to be sober thus more easily ruling out misperceptions with some but also in a world of fear and mental illness,, there is room for some to take something that mother nature has provided in order to ease the transition..... But treat the body like a temple - everything in moderation ..
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    • Frank Stalter Wim Hof is a personal favorite of mine in terms of being able to do the impossible through meditation and overall mental discipline. I doubt he uses psychedelics to get his results.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/04/110422090203.htm

      Research on 'Iceman' Wim Hof suggests it may be possible to influence autonomic nervous system and i
      www.sciencedaily.com
      New research on "Iceman" Wim Hof suggests that he can influence his autonomic ne...See More
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    • Lee Paul Uttley e.g. for terrence McKenna who is a thinker i do respect greatly, some substances could help contact,and it takes bravery in the current climate to admit that and he also said small amounts e.g. cannabis once a week at the most ,, but to a man like Dr Greer in particular with him being a doctor and following the training that goes with that i very much admire his path sobriety also... Each to his own - so long as your peaceful coherent and you tolerate the differences in the approach of others- whats the problem
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    • Lee Paul Uttley the only caution to take with any psychoactive drug is to know yourself so well that you do not fall into the folly of false reward..
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    • Frank Stalter I know a lot of people are into McKenna but I can't say he's grabbed me as much as a lot of people.
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    • Lee Paul Uttley Horses for courses as ma mum used to say- i like david Bowie but i can't say i like everysingle song he's ever done, know what i mean...With regards McKenna his book food of the gods is a masterpiece in my opinion.. Not for everyone but we are all different ..
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    • Janet L. Brook Native shamans only use these substances after years of extensive training and practice in higher consciousness, and then only sparingly. The use of such shortcut methods is highly discouraged for fieldwork with CSETI because they can be very dangerous to an unprepared psyche, and it's unnecessary. The same goes for the government remote viewing technique of hooking a subject up to a biomachine to force quick results.
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    • Shelly Garrison McMillan Bashar talked about cannabis at the LA conference last Nov. Explained it is the fastest way to connect to the higher dimensional energy. But only do this from a place of enjoyement, not a place of anxiety.
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    •  I used to smoke weed and have in the past taken psychadelic substances both naturally occuring and synthetic. I found that when I stopped weed my powers increased drastically and fast. I would use psychadelics again when I have no other responsibilities to take precedence over my mind bending... I do not need or want to mix substances with my attempts to make contact with other beings, and actually I don't need any substances apart from my nuts, seeds, and dried and fresh fruits and vegies, and clean pure water... I don't agree with completely discounting substances from one's life and actually if you think about it all things from the air we breathe to the water we drink and the nourishment we intake affects us, on various levels... I don't like destructive drugs, or addictions, though i'd be lying if I claimed I'd never tried any or had any (though nicotine is and caffiene are the only addictions I've ever had)... I do not consider mushrooms, plants, and substances our brains generate to be drugs, anymore than I consider air and food to be drugs... But apart from psychoactive substances I've never found pleasure or any great personal benefit in substance explorations... And while I find weed blocks and disrupts my abilities so very much, I love what happens when I partake in a social smoke, the depth of conversation without anyone complaining "Woah thats too deep man!", and the awesome inspirations I get musically and visual-artistically, but in retrospect I can't help but wonder if some of the lacking complaints about depths is down to apathy rather than actually intaking and providing alternating perspective or tangents that can help one broaden ones conciousness. I think like with everything, there could be said to be a time and a place, and also nothing should be done in excess or it becomes detrimental to our health and stability.
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    • Aaron Griffin Ive eaten mushrooms over 20 times. I've done acid about a dozen times. I've also had many experiences with salvia and DMT. I think in that state, aliens could land, get out of their ships, and shake your hand, and you wouldn't freak out at all. In fact, it would feel quite natural. If you were totally sober on the other hand, I don't think you could physically handle an experience like that. I think that is why they don't just land and show themselves to people more often. I've had dozens of CE-5's and feel quite comfortable seeing the lights in the sky, but when they start to get really close and approach me I panic. The nature of the experience is just too foreign. Its like how animals in the forest are naturally afraid of humans. But something about the nature of psychedelics puts you on their level, and in fact; when practicing remote viewing or meditation while under the influence of psychedelics, the amount of psychic data available to you is significantly higher, as is your ability to absorb and interpret it. Your mind works much more naturally in that state; you become very primal.
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    • Frank Stalter I haven't been doing anything along those lines for quite some time. For me, its' time has passed. I'd absolutely smoke weed if my back started acting up something like that. For any psychonaut expeditions, nah.
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    • Steve Grello Janet is right and thank god i was trained as a shamans apprentice otherwise i would not recomment just doing it without proper study of mindset and ritual and dosages
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    • Steve Grello if you were able to go to peru maybe and sit with a shaman and let him take you on that journey, i would support that.
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    • Steve Grello i dont have as many years as those shamans do under my belt. it is a real possiblity that you can go to another country and do that. if you go on youtube, they have people sitting and doing this with shamans. these are americans or people from england mostly so they are more like us
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    • Criepei Driim Ecsploadre Wonderful!!!!! So many opinions. Aside from the antics all I can say is 'the spice' seems to be important to my contact experience after adolescence. I seem to be guided so maybe a well experienced 'traveler' is required for it to be effective. In regards to 'the spice' it does not matter so much how many times you take it but how you take it and how much practice you employ when not taking it. I do employ many more techniques than the chemical tuning and most of my contact experiences have been while "sober". I believe I am being asked to prepare for something and when I feel the message is clear I usually answer affirmative. We are all part of the great body and each of us has a function in its system as well as the freedom to ignore that function.
      Unfortunately all of us here have been shaped by a system that aims to confuse and distract us.
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    • Aaron Ferguson I feel similarly Criepei ^. My friends and I are very experienced psychonauts and we have had our most profound contact experiences in that state. I also feel like we have been guided on some of those occasions to do exactly that. We have had contact sober too but the really wild stuff has been when our conscience has been opened wide. 
      However I do agree that it's not to be taken lightly or is it for everyone.
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    • Tony Boros Wow, another great post, and very interesting replies from the various members. Not what I was expecting at all from this group.
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    • Criepei Driim Ecsploadre From what I have seen... I thought this type of thread would be more common.
    • James Iandoli No, this subject is not supported on this group.
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    • Martin Münchow I have tryed all most any drugs.. but when y have an experience y tend to forget it when y become sober. I believe its the best way to do your experience in the spiritual realm whit a clear mind.
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    • Criepei Driim Ecsploadre The old ways might need to be remembered by all people.
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    • Tony Boros I am not being judgmental, but I think it would be very difficult to discern real contact from the effects of hallucinogens. I think a clear mind is necessary to positively validate contact. Just my opinion, nothing more.
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    • Criepei Driim Ecsploadre It is not difficult. So long as you are used to being still and don't give in to awe.
    • James Iandoli I am respectively ending this conversation here. Everyone is welcome to take it elsewhere.
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    • Criepei Driim Ecsploadre FASCISM IS KING HERE.
    • Criepei Driim Ecsploadre Take note that this site is not genuine. Otherwise this conversation would continue.
    • Criepei Driim Ecsploadre Give in to fear. That will help.
    • James Iandoli I find this conversation interesting myself, but this is out of context of the groups integrity.
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    • Aaron Ferguson I disagree. The question was ,can it help with ce5 ? I for one think it can. It's as relevant as a lot of other threads even if you don't agree with it
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    • Criepei Driim Ecsploadre Hell yeah Aaron! Orbs in photos is cool but extra dimensional conversations aided by consciousness expanding substances is too much... tsk tsk
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    • Tony Boros OK, now I am being judgmental. I believe James is right, and Criepei, you are being rude by name calling. We must keep things civil. Always think twice before hitting the "post" button, especially when your emotions get involved. Peace to all.
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    • Aaron Ferguson Tony I think the same can be said about contact during meditation, dreams and past life regression. How does one separate imagination from reality? Only the experiencer can do that themselves.
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    • Criepei Driim Ecsploadre I am being a guide. Tony. A lable is not who we are anyway. everyone here should know that by now.
    • Criepei Driim Ecsploadre You can shut this thread down but it only shows that this place is no place for everyone. Unlike space.
    • James Iandoli I see where you are coming from Aaron, not everyone is mature enough for this sort of conversation, as seen here. But, as an admin of this group I have a responsibility and it is not to support any type of substance use or abuse, or to guide others down that path, no matter what my own personal opinion may be.
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    • Criepei Driim Ecsploadre HA! I believe James is still plugged in.
    • Tony Boros It is difficult indeed. I am not anti drug at all. In the past I have enjoyed wonderful trips. I just think that contact validation, especially in relation to CE5 protocols, and group sessions, are needlessly handicapped by powerful mind altering substances.
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    • Aaron Griffin Ya, substances of any kind are totally unnecessary when it comes to CE-5's. But there is an added element to the experience when you are on them, and its not strictly hallucinatory.
    • Dave Hillis I would like to say a few words as I am concerned about how people are taking in our decisions as admins as to what is related to "CE-5". We use that term as a term to sum up direct contact with ET's. There are many, many ways to achieve this but we st...See More
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    • Aaron Ferguson Handicapped or helped? Like I said. My group has had our most life changing contact experiences during our sessions. Not just in our minds but confirmation with sightings by large groups of people and photos to boot.
    • Criepei Driim Ecsploadre Or would you rather boil the dust speck?
    • Tony Boros I personally would be handicapped. I am healthy, and have no mental health issues, and have enjoyed both large and small doses of hallucinogens in the past, and know how to ride the wave and be very comfortable doing it. The pure joy attained in the process can be substantial. But in my experience, I am sure I would be unable to discern what is real, and what is purely an effect of the drug. Again, my opinion only.
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    • Criepei Driim Ecsploadre The chemicals help with tuning or training me for later. They are not the center piece. I am given insight and guidance in larger packets than normal.
    • Tony Boros I also think that for me, being under the influence would make deep meditation impossible. Even with a clear mind, I find dropping random thoughts when meditating challenging, as many others have said in other threads here in this group.
    • Criepei Driim Ecsploadre Meditation yields amazing results on many of these chemicals. I would say meditate the whole time to do it right.

      get it from a friend who has taken the journey already

      they demand respect and if you don't dish it out... you wont get it back and with these things thats not fun.
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    • Dave Hillis We must stay focused on our goal in situations like this. When lower vibrational human emotions strongly try to pull us apart it is then we must raise our connection with the Universe to the vibration of that which our ET family is striving for us to a...See More
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    • Criepei Driim Ecsploadre Who doesn't like playing in the mud? No matter how high you are (i mean high in vibration for all you drugies ; ) coming down of your high horse is essential to growth. 

      And don't get horses high, they are divine already.
    • Criepei Driim Ecsploadre The ability to travel the vibrations is something valuable when communicating with others. 

      High vibrations are unifying, single minding.
      Low vibrations are separating, many minding. 
      Or is it the other way around? Or is it both ways? Or are you delus      ...See More
    • Janet L. Brook I have to wonder why people who indulge in fast-track hallucinogens tend to become so defensive about what they're doing. Can it be that deep down, they realize the long term damage they can do to their bodies is not worth the short term effect they re...See More
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    • Steve Grello Who is right and who is wrong??? Really?
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    • Steve Grello I try to just observe and report.
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    • John Hatte Don't want to come off hypocritical , but ive taken enough LSD ,mescaline , nd mushrooms in my life to kill a herd of buffalo, and i fell this has taught me one fact, the abilities gained from drug use are stolen, that's why they go away with the drug...See More
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    • John Hatte i was gonna stay outa this one , but I love you all to much to keep my mouth shut
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    • Lee Paul Uttley I will not continue talking about psychoactive drugs in relation to home CE-5's with respect to the people who run this page and as i said earlier the path of sobriety of Dr Greer which as i stated earlier i have great respect for and i would agree it ...See More
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    • Aaron Ferguson There is no fast track. Using psychedelics is no easy path. Why does one think that shamans can only be from the jungle? My friends and I have actually ' earned our ability' and it shows much ignorance to suggest other wise. You think your contacts are...See More
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    • Kimberly Heaton Goodson Criepei, I think you brought up a very interesting subject matter. Obviously, because so many people have joined in the discussion. It's not that often that threads are discussed so in depth! So, I don't understand why you think that nobody wanted to discuss it. I think it was a terrific discussion.
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    • Lee Paul Uttley given my testimony of CE-5 and sobriety given that i drink ridiculous amounts of coffee- i deduct i have never had a sober ce-5 ,,  Ha ha Room for improvement methinks- maybe why i struggle to quieten the mind at times
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    • Dave Hillis Glad to see people are learning from this post. The importent lesson here is that we do not want to inject or physically alter our bodies with any type of outside source. True consciousness develops from within. I fear we are becoming a drug hindered s...See More
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    • Lee Paul Uttley McKenna also made a great case that TV's and computers are like electronic drugs in many ways,, and i wonder sometimes how different the world would be if we gave up some of the time we spend entranced in front of them and did something else, like read...See More
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    • Lee Paul Uttley Less is more as the saying goes  Thats me done! Not to discredit anyone who likes the exploration of consciousness with whatever they choose by the way.Only you know what works for you , i know i for one am a beatles fan  Just recognize the u...See More
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    • John Hatte Hmm,, i must have missed the posts where someone said there contacts were more valid than others, i didn't read them all , but i also missed any post where anyone said they were superior to anyone else. , im under the impression were trying to help each other
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    •  I think there's an observable superiority posturing among some folk here, and I think that is what was being referred to... Obviously this is a contraversial topic. And everyone is at a different level of conciousness and personal development spiritual...See More
    • Pat Jamann , bringing the discussion around to the reason this page was started-Dr Greer's non-drug induced CE-5 protocol- does not appear to be "superior posturing" to me...just bringing the topic back on track.
    • Criepei Driim Ecsploadre What is separate? If I have learned one thing from this physical experience it has been that there are no lines or boundaries, everything is a fade and can be blended beautifully by any artist.

      All egos bulge now and again, no exceptions. But this too      ...See More
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    • Steve Grello So if I am on anti-anxiiety and or anti-depressants I dont qualify to have a sober CE5????
    • Steve Grello This is not an easy discussion people
    • Criepei Driim Ecsploadre This discussion is boundary dissolving, as is the nature of psychedelics. Seems fitting that it generates such a buzz. 
      Why else would the rulers of a world of separation put the smack down on the topic 50 years ago?
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    • I was not referring to that Pat Jamann. And I agree, Dr Greer's CE-5 protocols do not include substance use - either that's accepted or not, but this group does not promote substance use... However there's nothing to prevent people from CE-5ing the way...See More
    • Peter Chan No drugs no chemicals created by man ORGANIC is the way to go and is more credible.
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    • Pat Jamann , maybe in the interest of becoming united we should forgive everyone their ego (since we all have an ego) and move on to other interesting topics.

    •  Yes that would be nice if we could all do that instead.
    • John Hatte Well said Grant , as usual.
    • Criepei Driim Ecsploadre I feel that what Grant said is ignoring the long ourstory of the use of these substances when dealing with such things as contact with extra dimensional beings.
    • Janet L. Brook I suppose it depends on whether the substance you use is natural and organic, or something someone has processed in a lab and sold on street corners.
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    • Criepei Driim Ecsploadre I don't understand... A plant grows on Earth and makes a substance it is natural, but a human grows on Earth and makes a substance and it is not natural. Where is the line? Maybe plastic was called forth by Earth but we misuse it.
    • Criepei Driim Ecsploadre People sell organic food on the street corner too.
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    • Christopher William Brown I have heard that shamans use natural drugs to contact the spirit world I myself would not use anything made by our goverment or CIA cocaine import agency but natural plants maybe.
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    • Criepei Driim Ecsploadre it aint my government
    • Lee Paul Uttley just seen a great green flash right across the sky as i took the dog out,,I'm not sure what it was maybe just a green shooting star.. ,, drugs??? Tobacco and coffee and no ce-5 ,, so i suppose i'm not allowed to post that here? Superiority ego's???? I...See More
    • John Hatte all things we know of do come from nature , but when natural things are altered the often become poison to all life .
    • Criepei Driim Ecsploadre Maybe it is the intention behind actions that determine its effects upon life.
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    • Frank Stalter Lee Paul Uttley I'm sure Steve was just using those prescriptions as an example. It's a legit point. Can ETs discriminate? Do they ask to see your doctor's prescription first before contact?
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    • Dave Hillis We will most likely delete this post fairly soon. Every so often a post will invoke some lessons that we all can learn from but we must stick to the plan and guidelines of why this site was created. Some people may oppose the way we run the page but in the end our main and foremost concern is delivering the sobering protocols of CE-5 as taught by Dr. Greer. I must admit on a personal note that it was and is a very interesting topic but I still feel we are being strayed away from the topic of CE-5. So get all your substance related comments out here so we may move on to the real intention of the page, sharing our stories we have experienced in the field while doing CE5. Looking forward to reading them all on Sunday! 
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    • Steve Grello Thanks Frank, no one likes my truth because it makes too much sense and i dont use my ego to warp it
    • Pat Jamann Dave Hillis, the sooner the better LOL!
    • Criepei Driim Ecsploadre You know who else sticks to plans and guidelines?
      Illuminati minions.
    • Lee Paul Uttley I'm guessing it is of no importance to ET honestly,,, my remarks about the drugs and tea and coffee etc were just the way i look at them myself..If your on a drug your on a drug period, caffeine whatever .. If anti depressants help, then use the help if you want too... I've always said and i always will each to their own,,,
    • Steve Grello Thanks Frank, yes , they were examples of course. No one likes my truth because it makes too much sense and i dont use my ego to warp it and corrupt it.
    • Steve Grello no one here is condoning anything anyways, its just a discussion and nothing is wrong with that, We all accept the fact that this CE5 group is based on non-drug practices and protocols, no one is arguing that.
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      • Christopher William Brown I don't touch drugs medical or recreational due to my depression at the state of the world I don't know if my this will affect my attempt to contact our star family i have had a few contact but nothing major
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      • Criepei Driim Ecsploadre These things find you just as much as you find them.
        You find sometimes, YOU GET WHAT YOU NEED!
      • Dave Hillis I just dont see the positive relation of this post to CE5...? Maybe I am missing something but this entire thread has lead to the point of some of us saying we want to deliberately induce ourselves with drugs and hinder our minds so we can make contactwith ETs when other safer non drug methods are succesful and being taught? Having to take medicine for sickness is one thing but to deliberatly take drugs is not making sense to me. Would you teach your children to do this? I'm just not getting the ce5 related point here, sorry.
      • Frank Stalter I condone it. If it works for you, do it. I just don't recommend it wouldn't do it myself, don't think it's necessary. The mind is capable of the extraordinary without, laboratory tested.
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      • Frank Stalter Cultures around the world, going back thousands of years have used psychedelic substances to make contact. It's intellectually dishonest to ignore that and just shut out that reality.
      • Criepei Driim Ecsploadre These 'drugs' we are talking about are medicine for the sickness of the western greedy game.
        Dave Hillis you obviously have many preconceived notions about what these substances are, which seem to be heavily clouding your perception of this discussion. But that is fine, many babies resist learning to walk and talk so it is our nature.
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